07/16/07 54 W - + 21 - 12 Sock Puppets

On the subject of blogging and online discourse, this morning's New York Times article describes the consequences of something called "sock-puppeting." Or, as precisely defined in the article, "the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company."

You don’t really think that people really do that online, do you? I thought everyone was just a ‘guest’.
DJ (Email) - 07/16/07 - 08:58

There is no illusion. The white helmet that signs my check would cut it in someone’s elses name if it were not for something called sock-puppeting. While I let the critical sword swing both ways from time to time, I can’t say that my opinions are those of everyone so i’ll stay a Guest as long as you let me.
Guest - 07/16/07 - 16:23

Your opinions are just that… opinions. Everyone is entitled to their own and everyone has them. As long as they don’t affect your job performance or go against given orders, who can fault you? I truly feel sorry for anyone who works for a boss who rules with the “iron fist” and does not allow their employees to voice their own thoughts/opinions… you never know, that person’s opinion might actually be a good idea or valid concern. I will always stand behind my comments and opinions, with my name.
Luke - 07/16/07 - 21:48

As long as supervisors have a take on how much money you receive come eval. time, your opinion(s) can eventually end up “hurting” you, atleast around this area. Take it from someone who knows, I think it’s complete B.S., but that’s the way it is in these here parts.

I can’t count how many times I’ve heard or heard others have said to them; “‘Cuz I do your evaluation”, by a supervisor who didn’t get their way. This is where collective bargaining would be a great thing. What a way to show your power, by threatening someone by taking money out of their pocket, rather cowardly don’t you think?
Guest? - 07/17/07 - 21:43


Funny you bring up collective bargaining, there is currently a FEDERAL bill going through the process that will bring collective bargaining to all 50 states. Boy, we can only hope that it passes, so then some of the crap that happens in this area and state will stop. Then everyone will be able to share their thoughts/opinions on things without fear of “hurting” themselves. CFP 7021 may be able to weigh in on it, I think he may have more info on the bill I am talking about.
Wayne - 07/18/07 - 10:25

House Bill 980 passed in the house today by an overwhelming 314-97 vote.This is the collective bargaining bill that would really help us out. We can only hope that it does this well in the Senate, then on to the President for approval.
Silver - 07/18/07 - 20:31

I think the bill should be able to pass through the senate with little if any problems, seeing as it is democratic controlled. Just note that the bill is only for public safety workers. It is impressive that the bill in the house was co-sponsored by 280 representatives, very impressive. If you want to show your support I recommend that you contact your senator and voice your support for the bill. for more you can check out http://www.iaff.org/07News/071707CB.htm
CFP 7021 (Email) - 07/18/07 - 20:47

So, what happens the day after that bill passes, presuming it passes? How does collectively bargaining “take effect?” Presumably it requires a collective, but is that just any old group of folks? Do they have to be members of a named organization of some type? Etcetera. Forgive the ignorance, just curious…
Legeros - 07/18/07 - 21:30

Collective bargaining, while it won’t take effect the “next day”, will start allowing the IAFF locals and other associations/“unions” FOR PUBLIC SAFETY WORKERS to negotiate contracts with local and state gov’ts. Things like min. staffing, pay, raises, hiring/firing practices, overtime, and other things along those lines. The passing of this bill today is a major step in helping us with the many battles that fire depts an firefighters around here are waging against town/cities/counties.
Wayne - 07/18/07 - 21:40

Just remember what collective bargaining is all about. It is give and take. If we, the fire departments, don’t hold up to our end of the bargain, the city will come down hard, i.e. station/company closures, reduction in other benefits, etc. Take for example the FDNY a few years back. Their contract said if sick leave went above a certain percentage, the city can close companies, and they did. Then they “cried” to the public that the city is cutting back on service. They were the ones who didn’t uphold their end. Also, name a metro sized city that laid off firefighters that didn’t have Collective Bargaining. I personally have mixed emotions about Collective Bargaining. I can see the benefits of it, but there are also major negatives about. And one last thing, if any firefighter or group of firefighters strike, they should never be able to hold the title of firefighter again, they just let the citizens down, and there is no excuse for that.
Guest - 07/18/07 - 21:56

I have to weigh in on the mixed feelings, but overall I support the concept. I have numerous friends in other states who work as paramedics or firefighter/paramedics. Without exception they are better off than we are around here from where I sit. They, like paramedics and firefighter/paramedics everywhere know that there situation can be better.

Will it help us here? I think so, but not right away. But I think it will take one local, somewhere here in the state, to push for it locally, if it becomes law. I don’t think the local governments are going to rush out and give a contract to us right away. There will be some ‘testing of the waters’ on both sides. And it will take some getting used to on both sides as well. From the government side to ‘have to’ recognize a local, and the locals not trying to ‘push the envelope’ too soon.

It should be interesting to watch.
DJ (Email) - 07/18/07 - 22:14

When it comes to striking, that should still remain against the law. First and foremost, we are here for the citizens. And, I don’t think you see many dept’s these days go on strike, they simply work while in arbitration.

It would definitely be in our favor though in the long run.To me, the locals might want to take a trip to a dept that has bargaining, sit down and discuss the process with dept’s that could provide some insight into the process.
Silver - 07/18/07 - 22:32

Sitting down with other departments that have been engaged in the process for a while would be a good idea. It would be a totally new concept for NC and VA personnel.
DJ (Email) - 07/19/07 - 08:55

Sounds like a road trip to Philly!!! In all seriousness, having the “locals” take road trips to different places like Philly, Chicago or Miami (etc.) would be beneficial.

Maybe have each local in this area take a trip somewhere, then come back and have a meeting to discuss their findings? We shall see….
Silver - 07/19/07 - 12:24

I am in favor of it, especially the min staffing. The way it works in most departments is that you don’t have to join the local, but when you get hired you do have to sign a piece of paper saying that you will allow the union to represent you in contract negotiations. This would also work for all the other depts in the county besides Raleigh, and Cary because now you just have to be a full time career FF to be in the local, you no longer have to be working for a municipality.

As it stands now, and I know it won’t happen, but the city councils could sign a contract with the FF’s in NC. Delaware is a right to work state, but Wilmington DL recognizes the union and has a contract with the city’s FF’s.

On a side note either FDR or Teddy signed into law years and years ago that it is illegal for public safety officers (police and fire) to strike. That is why you hear about the blue flu sometimes.
Mike - 07/19/07 - 13:07

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