08/22/10 125 W, 1 I - + 2 - 9 QBs / CNG / S911

Good, bad, or ugly, I believe the single best site for watching quarterbacking in action is Statter911, and the reader comments therein. Those posters are amazing in their perspectives and passions and attentions to detail. The latest incident under the microscope is a fully-involved bus fire from Anne Arundel County, MD. Among the points of interest include the use of an elevated stream, the compressed gas fuel source of the burning vehicle, and a dozen passenger vehicles damaged during the fire. What are the higher-level lessons to be learned from this and other dissections on the Statt Man's site? Let me think on that, and develop some pompous, er, profound observations. Meanwhile, take a ride on the bus fire.

Statter911 photo

Statter’s reader comments are interesting. I guess some do not realize the hazards of CNG cylinders in a fire. For comparison purposes, would a firefighter advocate an offensive attack on a truck loaded with high pressure hydrogen cylinders involved in a fire??? – it’s essentially the same hazard as CNG. Not to mention, the “BOOM” will be much stronger that any LPG bleve due to the higher storage pressures of the product.

CNG is stored at a little over 3000 psi and typically in composite high-pressure cylinders (multiple cylinders are used on the roofs of most buses). Even though the cylinders have a pressure relief devices (DOT required), the containers can still rupture due to excessive pressure and heat weakened container structure. In my opinion, the use of “distanced” master streams is a good idea for firefighter safety. I would have used a soild stream and backed off a little more though. Note no FF on the ladder… a good call. Hey, another strategy may have been to simply “let her burn” due to the hazard. Therefore, would we as firefighters recognize the hazard on approach????.... and act appropriately? he give-away is/are the tanks venting from the buses roof in the Statter video. Now, with all that said, I guess you can submit to your training officer for 5 mins. of hazmat con ed.!!
A.C. Rich - 08/22/10 - 12:31

Sorry to be on a soap box but I think not putting suspenders on is lazy, un-professional, and is just asking to get tangled or caught in some kind of hazard. Not to mention it will waste time if you do have to take your coat off to put them on for whatever reason.
rookie - 08/22/10 - 13:54

Suspenders… interesting point. Believe it or not, and many will debate it, but the use of suspenders is not required in the NFPA 1971 standard or by the manufacturers. Sure, they sell them and they are part of your emsemble, but they are not required. Sometimes they are necessary due to the bunker pant’s design (i.e. the high-back Globe GX-7); but most of us (um, that are a little older and suffer from the Noassatall disease) need them to “assist” holding the pants up. In addition, some departments may require them to be worn if there is no waist belt provided with the bunker pants. I guess it is a often overlooked piece of our tradition that has remained over the years.

Suspenders are actually a convenience item and are related to personal preference (unless restricted by your dept’s policy). I definitely agree having them hanging down is a danger if you’re in tight spaces, but if in command, it’s just kinda unprofessional looking!!
A.C. Rich - 08/22/10 - 22:43


Good video from before the first due arrived. Don’t turn the volume on your speakers up too loud, that CNG venting is a sight and a sound. While the video is entertaining, reading the comments on Statter’s blog is hilarious.
Olson - 08/24/10 - 22:50

It’s like watching and listening to a jet engine operating!
Legeros - 08/25/10 - 06:58

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