06/15/11 54 W - + 2 - 1 Origin of Code 2, Condition Red?

Old-timers or those in the know, what's the origin of the phrase "code 2, condition red" as formerly (and occasionally still) used by fire departments in these parts? Did it start with the Raleigh Fire Department? Was it imported from elsewhere? What's the earliest usage that people remember?

It was started by the county departments long ago. rfd came up with code 3. anyone remember that one or am i showing my age?
wcff - 06/15/11 - 12:35

It actually started in Raleigh and was adapted to the county, then re-adapted to RFD with the “Code 1,2,3”

The Wake County approach of old (and current in some departments):
“Condition Blue” = nothing showing.
“Code 1, condition red” = small working fire with a booster line or 1.5 inch lead off line, using booster tank water supply on truck or nurse feed.
“Code 2, condition red” = larger working fire with a 2.5” or larger lead-off line, water supply needed (hydrant or shuttle).

Raleigh’s adaption of the county’s system:
“Code 1” = nothing showing up to a booster line (and even 1.5”) small fire (brush, dumpster, even structural, etc.)
“Code 2” = working fire with a 1.5” or 1.75 lead off, hydrant needed (forward lay). Generally used for structure fires
“Code 3” = Raleigh’s adaptation of the county’s “Code 2, condition red” to trigger (1) a 2nd alarm at a large fire (now MWF), and (2) reverse lay to the water supply (hydrant). The “Code 3” was adapted even more when the use of LDH came into play at RFD (forward lays used at the discretion of the IC). The original “Code 3” was a reverse of one 3” and one 2.5” line. Yes,we’ve come a long way!

A.C. Rich - 06/15/11 - 13:38

I remember the county’s “coding” system used in the late 70’s (1978+) as I listened on my father’s Plectron monitor at home. I do not remember when the coding began exactly, but it was definitely in effect when I “officially” joined Stony Hill in 1984 at the age of 18. I recall comments from SHFD members that the origin was from Raleigh FD (through the WCFF’s Assoc.) so there would be standardization. Someone older may remember (like my buddy DJ!!)
A.C. Rich - 06/15/11 - 13:49

And as of today, “Major Working Fire” is no longer recognized. Yes indeed, we have come a long way!
Silver - 06/15/11 - 18:07

Silver are the alarm responses changing as well or just your terminology?
Mike - 06/15/11 - 19:03

The resources assigned to the alarm responses will stay the same in Raleigh. It is in some ways semantics, but previously after a MWF was called, there was only “send me another alarm.” The updates streamline the decision-making at ECC and in CAD.
A.C. Rich - 06/15/11 - 20:23

As far as responses to different incidents, I believe ideas are being tossed around for different call classes; our Division Chief chairing this committee is handling it. As for what is sent to fires or on a second alarm, not currently.
Silver - 06/15/11 - 22:08

There will be some changes in the county as well – where depending on the incident type, the resources dispatched may be less or more. The individual departments will have to determine “what” they want to be dispatched for a specific determinant code. When???... I don’t know. For example, a 69-C-1 (Appliance Fire -Extinguished) may only receive an Engine and a Ladder rather an entire structural response.
A.C. Rich - 06/15/11 - 23:15

A.C., I was told that we would be able to adjust run cards based on EFD at some point in the future, but it will be a little while.
Griggs - 06/16/11 - 08:54

@AC- When I was at DH and RDU in the late 70s, the ‘condition blue’ and ‘condition red, code 1/2’ was already in use. I can even remember listening to my Regency scanner in the early 70s and heard it in use then. Back when RFD did a radio check every morning at 0800.Yep, I remember than. Pass the Geritol.
DJ - 06/17/11 - 19:55

We’ve got an EFD Steering Committee meeting soon, so I’m sure there will be more on the horizon! DJ, you’re still my hero!
A.C. Rich - 06/18/11 - 01:01

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