04/05/11 45 W, 1 I - + 2 - 2 Hot Shot #1 / Engine Arrives

Creedmoor Road north of Glenwood Avenue with Engine 17. Canon EOS 40D in Program Shift mode. ISO speed at 3200. F4 lens. Existing light, no flash. Color temperature white balance setting in post-processing. See more photos.

Does RFD have a policy in place for what line to pull for working vehicle fires? as mentioned I am just curious because based on the pictures a booster line was pulled which will get the job done but just curious if it is a judgement call or policy. Thanks guys
curious - 04/05/11 - 15:09

Every detail cannot be in a policy, this is a prime example. This type decision is left to the discretion of the Company Officer.
Bobby - 04/05/11 - 20:59

Currently there isn’t a policy or guideline in place. However, I believe with the soon-to-be-released engine co. ops. guidelines it states the line size is chosen by the Senior firefighter. If there isn’t one present or the Lt. doesn’t agree the Lt. will make the decision.
RescueRanger - 04/05/11 - 21:33

RR, don’t guess what a future policy MIGHT say…its a waste of time and pure hearsay.
Don't start - 04/05/11 - 21:59

i thought the policy of the fire dept i work for…raleigh…..was to pull at the mun of a 1.5 hose
samtheman - 04/05/11 - 22:32

NFPA mandates at least 1.5 inch for vehicle and structural calls. booster will put out enough water to extinguish but not protect. Common sense guys come on, be prepared to protect yourself
aw - 04/05/11 - 22:43

@Don’t start – it might be hearsay. But it might not.
RescueRanger - 04/05/11 - 22:52

i work with all these know it alls,,,lolollol
sametheman - 04/05/11 - 23:11

aw; NFPA doesn't "mandate" crap.....RR; Now THAT is a classic line!
Silver - 04/05/11 - 23:11

i am wound up since off till tomorrow. we live in glass houses as a spokeperson said the other night as a volunteer
sametheman - 04/05/11 - 23:14

Yeah well they tell you what to do and when these guys get killed because of something as stupid as being too lazy to pull the 1.5 inch because they don’t want to clean up. So silver back off. Dont defend them just because its raleigh. admit they didnt do the right thing and move on.
pg - 04/06/11 - 08:27

Isn’t kind of funny how when you watch a movie the car blows up, I guess some people think that is real. Plus, ever watch a race of any kind? What do they use, fire extinguishers mostly and then a truck comes with a small hose and 100 gallons of water if they are lucky. The large Dry Chem extinguisher we keep on the Engine is probably the best choice especially for fire in the engine compartment. Vehicle accidents involving extrications a 1 1/2 hose goes down to protect the occupant and fire personnel. But hey who needs common sense, why dont we just start putting apollo monitors out at every kitchen fire. Every situation is different, officer discretion.
my2cents - 04/06/11 - 11:10

You ever think about why an inch and three quarter line goes down for extrications when nothing is burning? What makes you think that an extinguisher is always going to be sufficient? In the fire service it is smarter to have too much and be prepared than have to run back to the truck while you are burning up. Use your common sense so you don’t get killed and if not for you then for your men. but hey clearly you know better.
pg - 04/06/11 - 14:25

#1- we carry 1 1/2. And its there for extrication puroposes to quickly protect everyone around the car due to flammable vapors that may light off during extrication because the occupant of the car cannot get away from it. Guess what!!! if no one needs to be extricated then a tow truck will pick up the car and a firetruck will NOT follow it to its resting place and their will be no line on the ground. My common sense has kept me around for 17yrs in the fire service 14 of that on a municiple department. Mechanics work on cars all the time with fuel all around WITHOUT... wait for it>> no firetruck or line to protect them. Oh my heavens!!! And in my little no common sense experience, I have put out several fires with a fire extinguisher when i felt it was needed. Thats what a Dry Chem extinguisher is for. But hey go ahead and flood it with your 1 3/4 and if you do have a good gasolene leak you can chase the the burning fuel downhill for about 200 ft when you run out of line and by the time you have class B ready and flowing that gas thats burning and floating on top of all that water you put on the ground starts something else on fire when all you had to do was use a large dry chem extinguisher to put out a sedan engine compartment fire out. Go ahead and what if it some more.
my2cents - 04/06/11 - 17:49

@pg; “Stupid”? A little strong I think…the Boss made a size-up on a fire in an engine compartment. No exposures; figured they could knock it out with the “red line”. Nozzleman hit it quick and contained it to under the hood….make entry and mop-up, go in service. Out of everyone on this blog, I think it is safe to say that I don’t show any “department discrimination”.

Now, am I a fan of booster lines? Not really. The vollie department I was with only had booster hose on the brush trucks for the most part. It encouraged you to pull a bigger line on car fires, but we also had the luxury of a pre-connect, 100’ in the bumper of “car fire line”.

@my2cents; well put x 2…I work for NASCAR and have put out a lot of fire with a dry chemical, which is all we use. Plus, like you said, if there is indeed a fuel leak you aren’t chasing it down the street/pits.
Silver - 04/06/11 - 18:42

Hi. I am Mr. 1.5 inch. Yup, I know I can offer the protection you so deeply desire. My water stream is made of impenetrable liquid titanium and I have blocked flying debris from vehicle explosions on many occasions over the past 70+ years. What the heck is protection then. Hey, my little brother known as 1 inch booster can flow up to 60 gpm and will usually work fine on small fires like the one in this picture. DUH! I am lost on how you guys define protection. I remember learning something like this: gpm extinguishes fires and more gpm extinguishes larger fires. Yup, I think that’s it. I am real interested to learn the actual NFPA standard that mandates the use of the 1.5 inch on car fires as well. Oh one more thing if we are concerned about protection due to potential we should always first pull the 3inch on every residential working fire. Officers choice says I and and Silver is really right! So happy large stream protection and misquoted NFPA reference to you all!
Mister 1.5inch - 04/06/11 - 19:23

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