06/23/11 53 W - + 1 - 1 Flowing Water Fast

Dave Statter found this compelling pre-arrival video from Las Vegas. Commentary and quarterbacking courtesy of his readers. Statter911 is about the best place for such discussions. Line pulled and charged in about 25 seconds. How fast does your company do it?

Las Vegas House Fire from Steve Reyes on Vimeo.

I’ll assume that the officer did a walk-around after the video stopped to make sure that no one was hanging out the back needing to be rescued… Good speed on the intial line being pulled, although I would encourage a straight stream rather than that wide fog to get to the seat- no sense in just fighting the flames at the edge. I suppose we can all monday-morning quarter back stuff without being there. The fan getting pulled at the get go was interesting… too bad we didn’t have more video!
Bob P. - 06/23/11 - 19:09

Just from my perspective and basing my opinion on the fact that the officer literally fell out of the truck it seems as if the officer is young and inexperienced which carries over to the rest of the crew. A company officer sets the precedence and if he’s out of control it makes for an ugly scene. Maybe I’m wrong on the officer but I expect to see more of these actions in Raleigh like shown in the video with the emphasis being placed merely on education and not experience.
RescueRanger - 06/23/11 - 19:39

What does being young have to do with anything? Maybe he lost his footing or slipped. I have been with Captains that have been in the fire service longer than I have been alive and they forget to release their scba from their sit and are hanging out of the truck. Remember their are smart young Captains and Chiefs in this county.
911 - 06/23/11 - 23:27

That’s a Pierce Quantum, with slowly folding-out steps. Betcha dollars to donuts that was the cause of said stumble.
Legeros - 06/24/11 - 08:40

Are there no comments in regards to the LEO that was busy updating his Facebook status, in stead of perhaps trying to determine if the occupants were able to escape their burning home, or maybe alerting the neighbors, or perhaps controlling traffic? He’s not a security guard, he’s got a side arm on his belt. He appears to be the initial First Responder on scene.
harkey (Email) - 06/24/11 - 09:42

It is not the Quantum’s fault that the Captain did not get off the truck properly. If you look closely you will see that he jumped off and didn’t use the steps. I have had the privilege to ride Quantum’s for years with out any problems.
steps - 06/24/11 - 16:23

My opinion on the Officer BEGAN with his slip-up exiting the rig. I agree that I can’t judge his age because he may very well be older and inexperienced but I stand behind my opinion of being inexperienced. Regarding the steps if you watch at 1:58 you can clearly see the front and rear steps deploy. From watching the video here are some signs of being inexperienced; belt straps dangling (2:09), no walk-around performed(2:20), a hook is the only tool grabbed (2:10), attempting to kick in the front door without even trying to see if it is unlocked (try before you pry)(2:26), never made entry to perform a primary search, attacked the fire from the outside, finally turns on the SCBA (3:08), and calls for a fan even though entry still has not been made (2:59). I did notice that 2 red hats got off the rig. Who knows what a red hat means in LVFD?
RescueRanger - 06/24/11 - 23:05

RescueRanger- I agree with you that experiance is important and not given enough weight these days. However, your assumption that the officer is “young and inexperienced” because he fell off the truck is way off base. I have seen LOTS of people, young and old, dismount apparatus in all kinds of ways for all kinds of reasons. Heck, i’m sure that i have made some not so graceful dismounts over the years. Does that mean that i’m not experienced?

Looks to me like the red truck puled up, and the fire went out. Could you have used different tactics and achieved the same results? Absolutley.
firedriver - 06/24/11 - 23:08

I tried to watch the video again to pay close attention but it wouldn’t play on Internet Explorer or Firefox, perhaps it was taken down? I’ll try to remember points from the first time I watched it;

1. The cop is a douche bag for snapping pictures with his cell phone instead of doing something constructive to help the incident (controlling traffic perhaps, if anything).

2. Can’t say the OIC is young and inexperienced; unfortunately we still have “vets” with waist straps unbuckled, on the wrong channels, racing to incidents to “beat” everyone (resulting in missed assignments), forgetting to perform walk-arounds, and the list goes on and on. It happens ALMOST EVERYWHERE, some places more than others, and I relate it to a skewed focus of why we/some (as firemen in the broad sense) are here, but I do think things are changing for the better. Some would rather make certain the rims are polished once a week (I tend to steer clear of them), versus cranking the saws daily and putting their hands on their assigned tools for the tour.

3. This fire seems like a good job where a blitz attack would work well. Not flowing water for five minutes from the outside, but hitting it hard and fast with big water for an initial knock, then stretching in and going inside. This also involves training on the blitz tactic, and knowing everyone has a job and has to do it quickly. I recall a job in ’01 in RFD where a seasoned crew arrived with heavy fire, middle of the row townhouse. They laid in, one member stretched a line, and the driver blitzed it with the truck mounted deck gun. By the time we got there on the Truck, most of the smoke was gone!!! But they trained on blitzing, and did it how it was supposed to be done! Not applicable at every gig, but a tool for the box.

4. As far as tools going in; first arriving Engine crews do have to perform a stretch and be good at it. It sets the stage for the rest of the incident. But, a hook to check the overhead space is a must since they’re pulling up solo (without immediate back-up) and at least a Halligan to force entry. I once had an Engine Boss that carried just a Halligan, and it’s amazing when you train with just that one tool how effective a well placed baseball swing can get you into many single family dwellings. On the flip, I make it a point to tell the Engine guys in our firehouse, that if we pull up to a worker on each others heels first-in, to concentrate on the stretch (especially with just 3 members) and we’ll be waiting at the door to let ‘em in. Communication and training works wonders!!

5. Kicking the door in? Don’t get me started…

6. Primary searches MUST be done at EVERY job when possible, whether everyone is said to be out or not.

7. @RR, I agree, experience is “muy importante” when it comes to this job. While education does have its’ place, you can keep throwing books at a fire and all it will do is burn hotter. But, on experience, time on the job doesn’t necessarily mean experience; is that “experienced member” a fifteen year vet, or a one year member fifteen times in a row? Combine the two though (true experience and education) and wow, what an Officer that will be. The final component of this formula though; heart…..ya’ gotta’ have heart too.

Stay aggressive, but be safe…
Silver - 06/25/11 - 00:46

@Fire Driver: Yes, the fire went out and everyone went home. That is the logic we ALL have to get away from. The world has yet to burn down so every fire will eventually go out. It’s OKAY to critique fires even our own. It’s how WE learn. And it’s OKAY to make mistakes. Mistakes help us ALL get better.
You stated, “Could you have used different tactics and achieved the same results? Absolutley.”. Wrong. They could have used different tactics and achieved BETTER results.
RescueRanger - 06/25/11 - 09:17

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