10/08/11 201 W, 2 I - + 10 - 3 Rent Old Station 4

Raleigh's second Fire Station 4 at 2913 Wake Forest Road is available for leasing. Mikels and Jones Properties lists the structure as an office building with 3,984 square-feet. The rent is $12.00 per square feet, which means $47,808 per lease period. What's that, monthly?

Station 4 opened at that location on April 12, 1963. It had relocated from 505 Jefferson Street, where Engine 4 had operated since June 15, 1926. The Wake Forest Road station cost $63,000 to build. It was one of three new stations opened that spring. Among the unique features was a sign and warning lights strung across Six Forks Road.

It was relocated to 121 Northway Court on June 24, 1993. The building was then used as a Career Development Center, and included an office for the Haz-Mat Coordinator. Those closed/were moved on April 1, 1997. Read more history of Station 4

The building was occupied by a software company from 1997 until maybe late last year. Signs for leasing have been posted for several months now. And for a number of months, a dumpster was parked outside. Below is a floor plan, from a flyer advertising the property. If only those renovated walls could talk. Imagine the stories they'd tell... Click to enlarge, or click to view the PDF flyer:

Kewwwwwwwl spot for a FULLY STAFFED heavy rescue…..long term lease agreement?
RescueOne - 10/08/11 - 23:52

Raleigh needs another inside the belt line station. They could house a fully staffed Heavy rescue company and an Engine Company. If the City put E13 out at Station 29 as E-29, then this new, old station could be numbered station 13. The apparatus could be something Similar to Durham’s Technical Rescue team With a big box truck and a quint Stationed there.
charlie - 10/09/11 - 02:36

NO QUINT CONCEPT HERE! Not enough area to park behind the station because the lot is shaped like a wedge/triangle, only one truck could be stationed there if they got it.
ConfusedFiretruck - 10/09/11 - 02:50

Well is parking is a factor, then place a fully staffed heavy rescue Company at that station.
Charlie - 10/09/11 - 15:28

and as far as quints go, Raleigh Ladder 1 is a quint. It started out as Engine 23.
charlie - 10/09/11 - 15:35

Listed are the “quints” at RFD: L1, L2, L3, L4, L5, L6, L7, L8, and the reserve LaFrance mid-mount. (...therefore all of the current “front line” ladder trucks are quints – and that’s actually all that has been purchased since 1999).
A.C. Rich - 10/09/11 - 20:04

The station didn’t work then so why would it work now? Parking, bay door height, water run-off, and D-side moisture (mold) are major issues that would need to be addressed. If it were possible to get those issues resolved you’d still have to figure out a way to get apparatus out of and back into the station. Flashing red lights that were activated by a push-button mounted in the watch room were installed over Wake Forest rd. They helped very little as most cars never stopped for them (ask anyone assigned to #8 if they ever use their flashing red lights.) and still didn’t address the issue of getting the apparatus back into the station. When I was assigned to the station if we were returning from a call south of the station a lot of the time we’d have to pass the station and U-turn at Wake Towne dr. because traffic would be backed up from the intersection. If the cars let us cross we still didn’t have enough room to turn out to back in since there was no turn-around pad. It was proposed the only real fix was to install a remote-operated traffic signal (actual stoplight) controlled from the station and apparatus to actually stop the traffic. NCDOT wouldn’t allow the installation since it was deemed to close to the intersection. I had heard the ISO made a recommendation of a fire station in that vicinity due to population density but I just don’t see one ever being built due to the proximity of #9 & #11.
Rescue Ranger - 10/09/11 - 21:21

...as Mike would say: history is important!
A.C. Rich - 10/09/11 - 22:06

A quint concept is something completely different than riding a Ladder truck which happens to have a pump, tank and aerial ladder. For the definition of a quint concept, see City of Richmond, VA.
QuintsSquints - 10/10/11 - 16:02

Another word for quint concept is “problems.”
A.C. Rich - 10/10/11 - 17:38

I believe you are really smart A.C. I’m taking it that Quints at RFD is a problem and not other departments?
911 - 10/10/11 - 18:19

Charlie, in order for the city to start a new rescue company they would have to throw out the current plans that the fire chief has to REMOVE a rescue company. In a city that only has 3 this is one of the biggest mistakes I’ve heard. Quints work when they are placed in service somewhere that knows how to use them properly and would require a flexible crew that would be able to function as both an engine and a truck company.
observation - 10/11/11 - 02:08

i think having 2 three person rescue trucks would be better than having one Heavy Rescue truck. as far as quints go, Durham’s E7 and E16 are quints, Bethesda’s E421 is a quint, and Burlington’s E5 is a quint as well. So quints do work in some areas in this state.
charlie - 10/11/11 - 02:24

Quints are great – improved capability… I ride one… love it (personally, all ladder trucks should be quints)! As Mr/Ms QuintsSquints stated above, there are differences – (1) the truck’s design = QUINT; and/or (2) the organizational service intention = QUINT CONCEPT. The “quint concept” of service delivery (as with all initiatives) will create issues if not well planned, however the program may work well in other circumstances. The decision is truly organizationally dependent based on the outcome goals determined. So, what would or could the outcome goal(s) be… improved service delivery, a reduction of costs, or maybe even both? Those three options alone will conjure up a vast series of value based individual perspectives. One example is a reduction in staffing and may actually be the greater impetus for a larger city’s decision to embark on the organizational change (e.g. Richmond) – and as we all know, many jurisdictions are forced to reduce due to the economy. In contrast, a smaller jurisdiction may implement the planned change as their organization is expanding with much less negative impact. There are various perspectives… I am not a strong proponent of the quint concept in a larger city, but it can certainly work if valued with the proper intentions, implemented properly, and procedurally controlled after implementation. One may simply search the internet and draw their own conclusions.
A.C. Rich - 10/11/11 - 14:28

A.C is correct in saying there is two different issues being discussed here. You can have a “quint” truck without it being used as in a quint concept. Just because the truck is a quint does not mean it is being used as a quint. Almost, if not all ladder trucks are quints now a days. Morrisville has studied and decided to implement the Quint Concept. This is being done for a few reasons. Morrisville currently runs every truck with four people, with that being the minimum on their ladder truck (which is a quint). They currently have an ISO rating of 3 and would like to get it to 1. To do so they would need to add a bunch of people. So to save money and improve their ISO rating, they have decided to go to the quint concept. This can be done by adding a quint at each of their stations staffed with six people along with a squad staffed with two people to run medical calls and other request for service type calls. This means instead of adding 10 people per shift, they can add 5 and get the same result. Morrisville also just received accreditation and that was one of the things the accreditation committee thought was a great idea. Morrisville also is not growing out, just up. I am not sure how well it would work in a large department though. Just food for thought.
Spanky - 10/11/11 - 14:49

Charleston had “ISO CLASS 1” on every single piece of equipment. ISO has nothing to do with your FD’s ability to fight fire. The people I know from RIchmond, wish they were a traditional FD. Once you admit you can do more with less (switching to a quint concept), you’ll never be able to switch back, especially with the state of the economy these days. I agree with AC, QUINT CONCEPT = problems. A dude I know in Louisiana works for an FD that has a class 1, they run one guy on every truck. Keep running your department based on ISO ratings!
ISOSCHMISO - 10/11/11 - 22:48

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