11/08/11 101 W, 2 I - + 10 - 2 Durham's New Squad 2

Our friends in Durham have passed along a couple photos of their new Squad 2, now in service at Fire Station 2. Three have been delivered, all 2011 Ford F-250 Super Duty light trucks. The utility bodies from the old squad trucks have been remounted, and the trucks updated with new paint, graphics, and lights. Squad 1 and Squad 2 are already in service. Squad 4 will soon be in service. The squad companies are used as first responder units in the busier inner-city district, and also respond to working fires.

Durham has gotten some pretty nice looking apparatus recently.
charlie - 11/09/11 - 02:42

I am surprised Raleigh doesn’t do something like this. Way to go Durham. Nice looking rigs!
George - 11/09/11 - 10:22

Having a truck dedicated for medical responses tends to be a volunteer concept. Fuel is a cost of doing business. I’d rather have a crew of three or four and a large truck to protect us anyway. There other ways to save money.
Money - 11/09/11 - 14:11

Nice looking rig Durham, congrats on the new deliveries!

You typically see BLS ambulances in the volunteer world because they are cash cows, many all volunteer departments to the north can afford to pay for their super nice fire apparatus in full due to the amount of money they take home from BLS transports, that is the only reason they do them because I know they hate EMS calls as much as we do! Fuel is a cost of doing business, but as with all businesses if you can cut down on the cost of doing business be it your fixed costs like salaries or variable costs like fuel consumption it creates more money for other things like an additional firefighter on some busier engines.

What are some of the ways you can see the fire service in this area saving more money, Money? Always a good thing to look at and consider with the tight economy!
McK - 11/09/11 - 16:14

@ money,
the squads do respond to all medical calls and vehicle accidents (along with the engine) within their stations first due district. They also respond to all structure fires, vehicle accidents with entrapment, rescue calls (building collapse, trench, confined space…) and Hazardous material incidents within their respective battalion. The squad is staffed with two EMT-I’s. Yes a crew of 4 would be nice, however it is better to send the smaller truck out instead of placing wear and tear on a larger more expensive truck. The squad also allows the engine (staffed with 4) to remain in service to respond to secondary calls, rather than having a engine coming in from another district. So there really is no loss in protection rather a gain, having a large truck does not equal better protection.
BCFD - 11/09/11 - 16:38

Ok bcfd, I’ll stand beside an engine and you stand beside this pickup and we’ll let another car plow into the other side. My chances of walking away area alot better. DFD busiest unit ran 2000, that’s not that busy. Sorry. Use the people to ensure your apparatus are staffed up. Have a good maintenance program for your trucks. Departments do it every day and run triple the amount.
Money - 11/09/11 - 23:22

OK Money, I believe that you are missing the point. BCFD is talking about life safety protection to the public, not personal protection afforded by a large piece of equipment. If you realized the valid points that he mentioned, your response is unwarranted. First, he mentions DFR using the squads primarily for medical first response, freeing the other companies to respond to fire/rescue calls. Also, it is mentioned that the engines are already staffed with 4, which is better than most others. Are you looking for an FDNY engine staffed with 5? That must be where you are running on an engine since you claim 2000 isn’t busy. With these tough economic times and more public awareness of costs, at least someone is trying something outside of the box. Just like the quint concept. Developed to trim staffing (or optimize) and reduce cost. It works well some places, but not in others. Quit bashing and be thankful you have a job, and not layed off like some cities are doing.
Charlie H - 11/10/11 - 10:46

ok Charlie, you are right (not really), but ok. 2000 isn’t busy. keep passing bonds for parks and greenways though when you talk about money, ignorance is bliss. Boooooo!!! to the bean counters who have no idea!

I’m self employed, so I will always have a job. FD’s always accomodate, PD’s stand up and fight, which is why their retirement is so much better.
Money - 11/10/11 - 12:40

Let me correct, retired and self employed.
Money - 11/10/11 - 12:41

Play nice, please.
Legeros - 11/10/11 - 12:51

What exactly do you think busy is, Money? I think 1% of FD’s in this country have units that run anywhere close to this 6000 annual call volume you speak of. I think the squads are a great idea and BCFD hit the nail right on the head. Having 5 guys on an engine on an EMS call is a waste of manpower and apparatus. Squads meet their needs and sounds like a practical idea for the given situation. I’ll take the squad and just stay out of the roadway. Problem solved!!!
Frick - 11/11/11 - 16:42

If your doing cpr the right way you need more than two guys on a truck and two medics.
CPR - 11/11/11 - 18:58

Durham County EMS sends two medic trucks on a cardiac arrest call, also many times if they are in the station the engine housed with the squad will also respond.
BCFD - 11/11/11 - 19:24

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