06/02/12 76 W, 1 I - + 8 - 5 Aftermath of Apartment Fire

Two alarms at 319 Railroad Street in Knightdale, just a block or so from Smithfield Road. Two-story apartment building with heavy fire showing on arrival. Second alarm requested. Fire controlled in about 20 minutes. Knightdale PS (E132, E134, E131, L135, plus E133 on 2A), Eastern Wake FD (E2, plus E1, E4 on 2A), Wendell FD (L116, E113 on 2A), and Eastern Wake EMS (EMS 62, EMS 63, D6). See photos by Legeros. Click to enlarge:

The Wendell firefighters are indeed the ones wearing the black gear.

Regarding alarm levels, these were the units dispatched on the second alarm yesterday: KPS E133, EWFD E1, EWFD E4, WFD L116. Three engines and a ladder. Unsure if that’s the norm county-wide/CAD-wide, or if it’s a district-specific specification.
Legeros - 06/03/12 - 09:32

Raleigh has set alarm assignments. County departments have a set up for it but it has glitches. Sometimes it will pull trucks that are not staffed but are in service and the crew assigned to that station is already at the incident. County units are better off requesting certain apparatus when they need more.
LT - 06/03/12 - 09:32

Thanks LT. Yes, a second alarm in the county can result in the dispatch of units that are not staffed. (That’s an old horse on this blog that we’ve beaten a few times!) Telecommunicators provide help in this process, when they monitor the units en route versus still silence, and can adjust the response or communicate to command as needed.
Legeros - 06/03/12 - 09:47

Yes, black gear does cost more to the tune of $60-70 per set.
Black PBI - 06/03/12 - 11:04

Black gear in the pbi outer shell does cost more where as black gear in advance runs the same as the other colors.
Gear guy - 06/04/12 - 09:08

There are no second alarms set up in CAD for any departments in Wake County the RWECC dispatches for except for Raleigh. In Raleigh, we can just change the incident type on the call and dispatch the correct assignment all the way up to a fifth alarm. In the county, the best thing to do is just for the IC to request exactly what they want and from where.
Marcus - 06/04/12 - 21:39

Fire Units on the scene. Knightdale Car 130, E131, E132, E134, L135, Truck 138, Eastern Wake Pumper 1, Pumper 2, Pumper 4, Car 20, Wendell L116, WC1. Initial dispatch per cad was EWP2, KCE132, KCE131, KCE134, KCL135, KCC130. Second dispatch included KCE133, EWP1, EWP4, WEL116.
Chris - 06/04/12 - 22:26

@rookie Different departments set up their alarm parameters for what fits their cities. For example, since you mentioned Philly and FDNY, they both don’t send a RIT/RIC/FAST company until a “working fire” is declared. Doesn’t mean anyone is right or wrong, just the way they choose to do business.
Silver - 06/04/12 - 22:47

Silver you answered my ques. I always wondered what fast was when buffaloe dispatches a “report of house on fire”
911 - 06/04/12 - 22:54

Why isn’t there additional alarms set up for county department. Is this something RWECC can not do or hasn’t been set up for county departments or somrthing the departments decided not to have. As an IC it would seem easier to ask for a 2nd alarm than for “X” number of engines, ladders, rescues, etc.
Jeff - 06/05/12 - 13:28

And here comes the dead horse on the apple cart. Jeff a short answer for you is that yes CAD can be set up to pull a second alarm and will if asked. The problem that arises is the CAD will do what its supposed to do, that being pull units that are marked in service. Well although some units are marked in service in this county doesn’t mean that there is staffing for those units. If you need a second alarm you want staffed units. On top of that what a rural department might need as a second alarm (ie lots of tankers) is not what a more municiple based dept needs that have hydrants need. They may need the manpower. CAD also doesn’t recognize city units when it considers pulling units for an alarm. So if the IC knows that a certain city unit is closer and what they need is manpower then it is easier currently to just call for that unit.
Mike - 06/05/12 - 13:56

@911 yeah, stands for Firefighter Assist Search Team.

@Mike yup, get the shovels to dig him up. It is something that SHOULD be done, but hasn’t. Why? Maybe the “we’ve always done it this way” mentality? Who knows…..
Silver - 06/05/12 - 22:32

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