12/11/13 57 W, 1 I - + 9 - 7 Drawings of Wilmington's Tiller

From the Atlantic Emergency Solutions Facebook page, check out this baby! Pierce Velocity tiller with PUC configuration. Meaning, it's a quint. In production for the Wilmington Fire Department. One more tiller for the Carolinas, which'll join Raleigh, High Point, Cornelius-Lemley in NC and Charleston and Hilton Head in SC. Click to enlarge:

Ooh, does this mean we can start arguing again over quints are worthwhile? You can never miss the chance to flog a subject to death :)
Paul - 12/11/13 - 10:09

Legeros is wrong. That isn’t a quint. It’s not equipped/designed to be a full engine + full ladder. Better called ladder + pump, water, some hose.
Bubba - 12/11/13 - 10:21

Raleigh’s tillered L4 is, by definition, a quint. In fact, every front line aerial Raleigh has is, by definition, a quint. They all can be 1st-due on a fire and perform the role of an engine company and have the 5 requirements to be considered a “quint”.
Rescue Ranger - 12/11/13 - 20:11

Really didn’t like the movie ‘Jaws’ so I don’t have any favorite characters.

But as to meaning of “quint”, it comes from the basic functions/capacities of fire apparatus- pump (500 gpm or greater), hose, tank, ground ladders, aerial device. Originally, the term “triple combination” was given to those trucks that had a pump, a hose bed, and a water tank. In those days, a lot of larger cities (i.e. Los Angeles City Fire Department) ran two-piece companies with dual combinations. One would have the pump and hose bed, and the second would have the tank and, sometimes, a ‘booster pump’. Two-piece companies seemed to be popular in larger cities, particularly the west coast.

The next development was the “quad”, which had a pump, tank, hose bed, and a complement of ground ladders. Quads were popular up through the late 50s and early 60s. Seems like someone around here had one (Wilson, maybe?). To get an idea of the quad, think service ladder truck with a pump and tank. I know of one department in the Northeast that ordered a Mack CF quad in the 1980s.

Quints have been around for a while, but more popular of late. I am not sure what the actual requirements are now, but a few years ago, a UL rated pump (>500-750 gpm), at least 250 gallons of water, hose beds for a certain amount of attack line and supply line hose, NFPA complement of ground ladders, an aerial device that qualified as a ladder (Telesqurts or Squrts did not count) was considered a quint.
DJ - 12/12/13 - 09:17

I feel like the PUC set-up on a tiller increases the tractor wheelbase to the point that it is longer than an engine company. A tiller/quint like RFD L-4 already has a longer wheelbase due to the pump than a typical tiller. Are the benefits of buying a tiller even worth it when the PUC tractor is that long?
Lee - 12/13/13 - 15:39

I bet it’s no longer than a tandem axle tractor.
Rescue Ranger - 12/15/13 - 11:33

From what I understand it is going to just barely fit in its bay. Also, all of Wilmington’s trucks (formerly towers) are quints. Mainly due to the fact that they are all Sutphen which doesn’t make a true truck. Hence why the new tiller is a quint.
MCNelson - 12/15/13 - 15:48

Actually Sutphen does make a “true truck”. I saw one at an expo, tons of compartment space. Good luck to WFD with their new rig.
Silver - 12/15/13 - 21:31

It is quite a bit longer than the tandem axle aerials. Lexena Kansas (Wilmington’s twin) has a 214” wheelbase and is 65’ feet long.

Seattle’s tandem aerials have a 185” wheelbase and are about 59’ long but the body is shortened about 21” due to no waterway.
Sacramento Metro Fire has a Quantum tandem170” wheelbase and 61’ long.
Clayton Co, GA is 149” wheelbase and 59’ overall. This is a more “standard” tiller design.
GAfireman (Email) - 12/16/13 - 20:39

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